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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Double star plan Reply with quote

Anyone knows where I can find a plan to built a double star kite like Ferruh Baysu?



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smarties -
I believe it is the same as the Snowflake, except the pieces are hollow squares instead of solid squares. I think it was talked about in one of the Squareflake threads, a couple months ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost, but not quite. The one that was discussed looks much more like a Snowflake than this one does. I am not sure but I think plans were in the Drachen magazine a while back. I do not have access to the Drachen magazine, nor could I read it if I did have access.

However, I can understand most kite plans, no matter what the language.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a snowflake, it looks a lot more slimmer and using spars in cross instead of the circular spar on the outside as Snowflake uses.

But what if I make a slim and hollow Snowflake, would it work? What to think of to keep flying angle, bridling an such? Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Wings (maker of Beetle stunt kite) just brought out a single line kite called the Lotus which is very similar. You can view it by going to the Into the Wind site and doing a search for lotus.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiteguy wrote:
Almost, but not quite. The one that was discussed looks much more like a Snowflake than this one does. I am not sure but I think plans were in the Drachen magazine a while back. I do not have access to the Drachen magazine, nor could I read it if I did have access.

However, I can understand most kite plans, no matter what the language.

Wink


I have the two most recent issues of the Drachen magazine, Hoch Hinaus. I have found a photo of this kite heading an article reporting on the 2003 St-Goar kite festival but I have not seen any plans in these issues, or mentioned in the magazine's archives.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not ask the man who built it? He is a member of this forum...

Spectre's profile is here:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spectre is a mystery man. He did not put his town or country in his profile. Is he from Germany? I did notice that when I was at the Berck Sur Mer festival a few years ago that the Germans liked to build the big versions of various kites. The proportions were impressive.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EiSvIn wrote:
But what if I make a slim and hollow Snowflake, would it work? What to think of to keep flying angle, bridling an such? Any thoughts?


The only 'issue' I have had with making high aspect (skinny) Facet Kites (Hi Scott) is that the shorter spine length has less 'authority' over the corners and the kites like to distort out of shape. The cure was to either bend metal tubing for the outside corners or use dihedrals.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

knotronda wrote:
Spectre is a mystery man. He did not put his town or country in his profile. Is he from Germany? I did notice that when I was at the Berck Sur Mer festival a few years ago that the Germans liked to build the big versions of various kites. The proportions were impressive.

knot(ty)ronda


Ronda; by his name and what I read on his web site, I would say our mystery man is from Turkey.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Lord wrote:

Ronda; by his name and what I read on his web site, I would say our mystery man is from Turkey.


I would say your right Don. Spectre's 'about me' page on his web site states:

"My name is Ferruh Baysu. First, sorry about my English. I am a kite flier from Turkey. "
He's got some neat kites. I like that Heksebeest kite. It looks to be based on a Conyne kind of plan.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Everyone
I took an e-mail which includes the link to this subject from Eirik a kiter from Norway.

I draw the doublestar using Autocad. But I don't have a detailed plan but I'll make one. Now I am out of my home. I'll turn back in a week. When I turn back I'Ll prepare a pdetailed plan as soon as possible.

If anyone wants drawings I can send them. But you must wait until I am going back to home. Just tell me you can open Autocad files or not. If not tell me the format which you want.

And also I updated my profile(The e-mail adress was wrong).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it would help if I had gone to his web site Embarassed . Oh well, looking forward to seeing more of 'Spectre'.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

knotronda wrote:
looking forward to seeing more of 'Spectre'.


Amen!

Just a couple of quick thoughts before I go back to making Circoflex bridles for MAKR this weekend.

Since the early posts in this thread referred to Spectre's kite as a type of Snowflake Facet, I just wanted to toss in to the discussion that Snowflakes and Facets are tensegrity construction, the tensioning frame is on the outside of the kite. Spectre's kite is framed internally. There is a Spine or Longeron, in the center of which is a tinker toy doughnut for the Spreaders.

I think that when the plans are avaiable, most of the fabric panels will be slightly trapezoidal rectangles.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spectre wrote:
If anyone wants drawings I can send them. But you must wait until I am going back to home. Just tell me you can open Autocad files or not. If not tell me the format which you want.


Spectre, looks like this is your first post in this forum. Thanks for taking the time to give your feedback. Is this kite your original design?

Can you make the drawings in PDF format or maybe in JPEG or BMP?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Smartie

It is not my own design. I saw this kite in a festival in France and. Then I draw a three dimensional drawing of this kite in AutoCAD. And yes, I can do PDF or JPG.

The most important think is the shape of the panels. I have drawings for 3(10feet) meter 10 side and 1.5-2meter 8 sides.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi spectre !

what size of spars are you using in the 3 m and what size are you using in the smaller one??? and what is the diameter of the center piece??? and center spar for the 3 meter?

thanks ! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow this is great!!

I would love to get a copy of the plan in PDF or Autocad format...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too! Autocad format would be fine. jpg would work, even PDF! Whatever you feel like sharing, I'll find a way to use it. But please, put some dimensions on the drawing. Many conversion programs seem to ignore the "scale" of a drawing, and will proportion the drawing down to fit in the "native" format of the converter program. Without dimensions, it's impossible to get the drawing back to the proper size.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to get a plan in PDF if possible.
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