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DMF



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: Steal Your Face (rok) Reply with quote

I’m 75% finished this kite which is based on the grateful dead steal your face logo. This is my first 6 ft rok build as well as my first adventure in appliqué. I read through WEF book, which I would highly recommend! I learned a lot from this build. I wanted to show some of the things I learned and I would like to hear opinions on different approaches. I was hoping to finish it this weekend but have to fly out to Calgary on business so will probably be a week or so for flight picks.

First full scale plans are a must. I initially planned for the kite to be white with the image centred on it. After projecting it I thought an outer hexagon would be cool instead of the original plan. The drawings become an invaluable reference. Next time I will add the spar location and the bridle patch to the plans to see if the design should be modified to take into account these features



It is important to label your colours in some fashion. Painting like Mototrev (I’m not that talented) or simple labels like I did which worked for this simple colour scheme.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finding a large flat surface is important to getting the layers tacked together with minimal wrinkles. I finally found I good use for my pool table. This was one thing that I would probably do different if I had to do it again. In WEFs book he talks about working on small portions at a time and building them up to the bigger panel. Mototrev has great examples of this technique on his last two kites (which are amazing). I looked at this design but couldn’t break it up into smaller portions because the white is fairly continuous. I was also worried about the backlighting on the black. The red and black and the blue and black combined looked very different. So I went with the full 4 layers, which was cumbersome. In retrospect I should have modified my design but I was being unreasonably rigid.

Large working surfaces are not necessary but help with fabric control



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the large area I could sew the large circles by using my finger like a turntable. I braced the fabric with what looks in the photo to be a disjointed finger and let the IDT on my sewing machine turn the fabric like a turntable and voila perfect circle.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make your life easier and draw dark lines to start! I had trouble sewing the outer circles as they were very faint. In the pic you can see my initial tracing with HB pencil as well as a second tracing with 6B
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t cut things other than thread ends when tired!






should have learned that the first time!
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Ron said in another post it takes practice.

When I started to cut out the teeth I tried 1 layer at a time but this left red and blue fibers showing. ( the 2 teeth on the left) So I tunneled through with I dental tool and separated the glue (tack) between layers and used the dental tool to lift the fabric as I cut it. Rons suggestions of holding the scissors like a Seam Ripper worked well.



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMF wrote:
With the large area I could sew the large circles by using my finger like a turntable. I braced the fabric with what looks in the photo to be a disjointed finger and let the IDT on my sewing machine turn the fabric like a turntable and voila perfect circle.

That's a trick I figured out on my own when making 4" radius curves on a cloth cap brim. It works great.
The important thing is to make sure that the pivot point (your finger) is exactly straight out from the needle, Too far back and the seam drifts to the right of the line; if too close to the front it drifts to the left.

"IDT"?
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good Dana
Just need some flight pics now Laughing

You seem to have got a good grasp on the applique as well.... well done
Couple of things that may make life easier on your next one
Mark with watercolour pencil..comes in all sort of colours...I use dark blue on light fabrics and light blue on dark...wipes off with a damp cloth but holds up well until you decide it's time to wipe.
http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4922&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=watercolour+pencil
(thanks Why@ Laughing )

On small areas like the teeth, I snip a small hole into the sacrificial layers before sewing...makes getting the scissors in and cutting only the ones you want far easier.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:46 am    Post subject: Re: Steal Your Face (rok) Reply with quote

DMF wrote:
After projecting it I thought an outer hexagon would be cool instead of the original plan.


It's already sounding like it'll look very cool! Can't wait to see it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic!!

Good stuff!

I can't wait to see it in the air.

Dana its a quick learning curve and your've moved well beyond base camp!

You've made "Deadhead" lovers proud!!

Aggh!

What's it with pinball machines and kites?
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The applique is looking good, can't wait to see the completed project in the air.




mototrev wrote:

What's it with pinball machines and kites?



Yeah, what's up with that?

Here's mine, Black Hole by Gotlieb




Notable Features: Flippers (6), Pop bumpers (6), Slingshots (3), 5-bank drop targets (1), 4-bank drop targets (2), 3-bank drop targets (1), Kick-out holes (2), Kick target (1), Horseshoe lane (1), Spinning target (1), Rollunder (1), Cellar hole (1), Right outlane ball detour gate. Score display in playfield. Backglass animation (rotating disc, non-export only). First machine to offer a lower playfield sloped away from the player with the flippers at the backbox end. Multiball and speech (non-export only).

Notes: 'Black Hole' was considered a high-maintenance game when released and wasn't popular with operators as a result. The multiball is one of the hardest around to get but rewarding when you do as it is possible to have 3 balls going in total on two different levels.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

planish wrote:


"IDT"?


The top feed on the Pfaff http://www.pfaff.com/ca/en/195.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reynolds5520 wrote:

Notable Features: Flippers (6), Pop bumpers (6), Slingshots (3), 5-bank drop targets (1), 4-bank drop targets (2), 3-bank drop targets (1), Kick-out holes (2), Kick target (1), Horseshoe lane (1), Spinning target (1), Rollunder (1), Cellar hole (1), Right outlane ball detour gate. Score display in playfield. Backglass animation (rotating disc, non-export only). First machine to offer a lower playfield sloped away from the player with the flippers at the backbox end. Multiball and speech (non-export only).


Shouldn't you add (1) vase of ostrich feather to notable features Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mototrev wrote:

You've made "Deadhead" lovers proud!!


When my son, now 40 and a marketing manager at Intel, was 17, he came home with the "Dead Head" tattooed on his shoulder...I was very proud.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got the applique finished! Here are some pics of my progress.





Next on to edgebinding then time to make a kite out of it!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question:

How hard are these things to set up and fly? Should I add drogue initially? Should I practice with one that I won't loose sleep over a serious rip? I've mainly flow soft kites to date and have no experience with 6' sparred kites
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMF wrote:
Question:

How hard are these things to set up and fly?

Roks are very easy to set up and fly. Most people leave the cross-spars in place and just insert the spine, tension the sail/bows and fly.

DMF wrote:
Should I add drogue initially?

Roks don't normally fly with drogues or tails and don't need them to fly well.

DMF wrote:
Should I practice with one that I won't loose sleep over a serious rip? I've mainly flow soft kites to date and have no experience with 6' sparred kites

Just remember to add more bow to the lower cross-spar. For a 6ft Rok I would use roughly 4" between the upper bow line and the spar at the mid-point and 6-8" between the lower bow line and spar. You can adjust the lower tension/bow to suit the wind conditions and to improve stability. Add more bow for use in stronger winds.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a great design for a ROK. It just looks terrific. Good job. Dancing Dancing

Next you can do AC/DC. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, that's cool. I love it!

Roks are wonderful kites, super reliable and easy to fly. It is likely that you'll have a much easier time flying it than even the panflute in your avatar. Wink
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